The Berserk of Ignorance

26 Aug, 2008

There is this article from the Financial Times that I would like to link here but, because it needs a registration (that I strongly support you to do), I quote it here:

Italian party seeks to block new mosques

By Paul Bompard in Rome

Published: August 25 2008 02:24 | Last updated: August 25 2008 02:24

Italy’s Northern League, the populist, xenophobic, sometimes separatist movement that is a key component of Silvio Berlusconi’s governing coalition, has proposed new legislation which would effectively halt construction of new Islamic mosques.

The bill, which the League’s chief of deputies Roberto Cota is expected to send to parliament next week, would require regional approval for the building of mosques. It would also require that a local referendum be held, that there be no minaret or loudspeakers calling the faithful to prayer, and sermons must be in Italian, not Arabic.

Chances of this being approved as it stands are slim, since it clashes with a number of constitutional rights and there was no immediate support from either Berlusconi’s Forza Italia party or from the ex-fascist National Alliance.

But there has been cautious support from the small, ultra-Catholic UDC party, and the proposed anti-mosque legislation undoubtedly reflects widespread feeling among Italians that some defence against a rapidly rising Islamic presence is needed. At present, the Muslim population in Italy is estimated at 1m, with 258 registered mosques.

The Northern League, which theoretically favours the secession of northern Italy from the centre and south, won more than 8 per cent of the vote at the April general elections, and has always trumpeted defence of national values of the northern Italian “race” as the natural product of its homeland.

Without giving details, Roberto Maroni, the rightwing interior minister from the League, also said in April that “nomads” – as Italians call the Gypsies, although most do little roaming – who were not Italian citizens and did not meet conditions to stay would be deported to their “countries of origin”.

The League has capitalised on a wave of xenophobia, of fear of crime committed by foreigners, and of preoccupation with illegal immigrants, which did much to help the Berlusconi alliance win the elections.

Copyright The Financial Times Limited 2008

No, it’s not just the “usual” ignorance that cause my country to be racist: that has became boring to discuss.
Is the ignorance about the simple fact that EVERY PRAY for Muslims are ONLY in Arab: even countries that are not Arab native speakers (some part of Pakistan but there are many others in Africa), prays in Arab. They learn the prays when they were kids and still pray in that way. Is a Muslim dogma to think that the language of God is Arab. And even if the “sermons” doesn’t need to be in Arab, what’s the problem of allowing people to speak in the language they want when they are in a religious place?

I absolutely agree that for anything else that is not within the mosque, they must learn Italian: they are in Italy, they can’t expect us to change our language. And I don’t think they even remotely think to ask so.

I would even “justify” if this request of “celebrate the sermons in Arab” where from “normal people”: but when politicians try to rule about something, they should at least try to be up-to-date on what they are talking about.

[Original Source: Italia dall’Estero]

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10 Comments so far »

Sirjy wrote on August 26, 2008 @ 22:28

nice one dude

one thing thu, it is pray not prey
two different words mate !!! look them up and you find how funny it is to use prey

it is funny how northern league reminds me of some movements and parties back home if you change Islam with Christianity in their speeches you find the exactly the same. They must be very good friends
Detro wrote on August 26, 2008 @ 22:32

I corrected it -_-
I think the only way for me to learn how to spell a word, is to use it. And I think this was the first time I wrote pray/prey in my life
Fabio wrote on August 27, 2008 @ 11:25

without worlds…
this ‘writer’ can’t be a journalist! and this can’t be the financial time!

‘Italy’s Northern League, the populist, xenophobic,…’
‘or from the ex-fascist National Alliance…’
‘nomads” – as Italians call the Gypsies, although most do little roaming – who were not Italian citizens and did not meet conditions to stay would be DEPORTED to their “countries of origin”…

a real journalist would report facts, not personal convinctions!!!
I think not only in Italy there’s the problem about shit m.media!
This article has just 5 lines about the “problem” of Mosques in Italy (now I doubt about as well!!!) and ALL THE REST is about the shit goverment!!!
Detro wrote on August 27, 2008 @ 12:30

Fabio, the information is 100% true.
Look on any Italian National Paper.
Fabio wrote on August 27, 2008 @ 14:08

the problem is HOW this information are described!
world like DEPORTED, EX-FASCIST… aren’t admissible in an equal article!
Detro wrote on August 27, 2008 @ 16:14

Fabio, that’s exactly what the Italian Television transformed italian into.

Who the HELL said that “this word” or “that word” are not acceptable? Let’s call things with their name.
If you have sort of hate for a particular race, you are “XENOPHOBE”.
If you where part of a Fascist Party in the past (or even in the present) you are an Ex-Fascist (or just Fascist).
If you register Fingerprints of a particular Race FOR ANY REASON, you are bringing back Fascism.
If you are cutting the Tax Incomes from equal territorial distribution, to divert it in a “regional based” system, you are trying to “Cut the Country”.

Again, you are mentally deviated by the Television and the Common Culture that that Motherfucker Dwarf imposed in the last 20/30 years.
Nemo wrote on August 28, 2008 @ 0:25

AN is ex-fascist. It is a piece of the MSI which is a piece of the ex Fascist party. And when I say “piece” I mean that the party includes people that were formerly fascist militants.

“To deport” simply means “expel (a foreigner) from a country, typically on the grounds of illegal status or for having committed a crime” (source: Oxford dictionary). So, it is simply the truth.

Xenophobe is a synonym for racist. And italian government is racist because it includes a xenophobe component, the “Lega Nord” (Norhern League).

So, what’s the problem? Maybe the fact that the journalist used appropriate terms? I know, that sounds a little bit strange for italian citizens who are not used to read article from real journalists.

Those terms correspond to facts. And all the facts are allowed in an article.
Detro wrote on August 28, 2008 @ 8:30

@Nemo: If it was to agree more than 100%, I would do it!
That’s what I saying to him yesterday after the Match: the information (as a system) in Italy is radically changed across the last 2 generations: now is incredible that someone would write real things with real words in a newspaper, without being seen as either “extreme” or “offensive”: that demonstrate, once again, the power of the words.
Fabio wrote on August 28, 2008 @ 11:13

But what facts??? Nobody never talks about DEPORTATION of Gypsies (they are european citizens!), maybe to expel clandestines (the are furtively gone in our country!)…
in the end (A’ FINAL!) t’nit ragion vuoje! va buo’??? proprio vuoje ke parlat’ e stampa imparziale!
Fabio wrote on August 28, 2008 @ 11:27

e poi nn fatemi ridere con la storia di DEPORTARE = ESPELLERE!
lo sappiamo tutti ke le parole possono cambiare o accentuare di moooolto il senso di 1 discorso.
quel ke voglio mettere in luce io, e’ ke 1 giornalista serio dovrebbe essere imparziale e raccontare fatti nel modo + neautrale possibile.
e’ come se io raccontassi la partita di ieri dell’arsenal in tv, dicendo:
“spettacolare partita ieri dove i REGNANTI di casa SURCLASSANO i poveri, indifesi, handicappati provenienti dai PAESI BASSI (forse ora ho capito xke’ li kiamano cosi…) con un romboante 4-0… bella gita fuori casa x i tanti ubriaconi olandesi, ke finalmente hanno visto 1 po’ di vita lontana dai mulini a vento e le dighe!
mentre buon allenamento x i nostri eroi, in vista del campionato di domenica ke forse li mettera’ di fronte avversari almeno allenati!”

suonds good???